Strategical Guide

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Bombastik's strategical guide.

I will give you the keys to have perfect value/income/score. This is a guide for low-medium players Advanced-Pro players

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First of all, I will begin with the most variable curve: Leakers or not leakers

Leakers make the game longer, everybody's know it. so it will affect your income, and then, your value.

If you are in a pub game, there will surely have leakers. but if they are in ur team, you must insure u get enough value to hold their leaks, or at least, upgrade your king if you think you can't.

The fact is, for having high income, u must spend your wood every levels, and on 100% profit-making summons, like militia, dino, catapult, ice troll, balista... Never save your wood, because every 20 woods u keep, will affects your value. for exemple: every levels -1 or -2, make almost 100 values lesser really fast.

If you play in a team, you can make yourself leaking, to harvest more lumber. But i do not council you to do that if you can’t afford to leak.

I can give you some marks that show if your on the good way:
• level 10 60 incomes
• level 14 130 incomes
• level 17 200 incomes
• level 24 600 incomes

Now, it’s all good if you get more. If you want to reach the 500 scores, u must have 7/15 and 500 incomes before 2nd arena. And keep sending every times.


You will have to build your first farm approximatly level 7-10.

If you are 5/1 level 6 and u know u ll need farm for level 7, keep 20-30 woods and send the rest, do not upgrade the farm before the end of the level. It's a waste of gold.

After this stage, u must be 7/1 or something like, and u will never need to keep wood for farm.
Just send all the time, and build it when the level is complete.
Later, if you don’t have time for a farm, you can also build a new one with your wisps. A farm level 1 takes 5 secondes to be created.


Many people do not know when u have to upgrade lumber.
I give you a mark, just to picture my exemple.

• after level 8 7/2 or 7/3
• during arena 7/4 or 7/5
• after level 12 7/5 or 7/6 (do not upgrade if u think ur team-mates will leak level 14, u must catch it!)
• after level 14 7/8
• after level 15 7/9 - 7/10 (same as level 14, stay 7/9 if u have leakers in your own team)
• after level 17 7/12
• after level 18 7/14
• after level 19 7/15 (stay 7/13 or upgrade king, if u can t catch bosses (need magic attack))

If u get 7/15 before 2nd arena, u must have minimum 400 incomes.
After that, your income will fly up and insure you 20k value and more, level 31.

"Ok, i have bad units and I'm leaking, what can i do ?"

No stress, stop upgrading lumber and play softly.
If you leak level 12 because u have 7/5 (for example) and level 14 because u do not have any heavy-normal/tanker units, stay 7/5 until level 17 is completed. Otherwise you will leak more and more, and never restore you're value.

"I have only 7/10 after 2nd arena"

Then stay 7/10 for the rest of the game, any lumber upgrades after second arena is a waste, because you will never recover your gold back. And the value is, in this case, more important than the income.

That close the income chapter, there s much more things to say but, u must experience it yourself.

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And now, i must introduce some others strategies you could need.

You may have surely wondered.

"What should I build to do not leaking?"

Well, I’ll not remind you each armors and attacks types.

But you should know that if u get only medium armors, you may leak level 14. As same as if you get only heavies, you leak at magic levels.

The fact is, the best way to never leak, is to get a mix of all attack and armor types.

Every units is unique and have its own proprieties, they all can be useful in different situations.

For example:
• Goblins, [tiers 1] surely the best tiers 1, because he can be upgraded 2 times; also mutant can be juiced to have more hp and more attack power.
• Aqua, [tiers 2] have a bouncing attack, which is very usefull for many levels.
• Tribesman, [tiers 3] can throw a net to immobilize his targets.
• Mermaid, [tiers 4] can buff a friendly unit with a frost shield that gives 3 armors and a slowing capacity.
• Komodo, [tiers 5] can disappear to confuses his enemies and make damage splits.
• Lord of death, [tiers 6] can spawn units.

There are a lot of strong combos. But you must decide what's the best to build before a level to do not leak.
You must calculate the cost of towers and the gold you will have after the level.

e.g.:

If you build 2 wisps before level 3, you will maximum get 485 values. so be sure it maches with the cost of your towers.


I'll shortly talk about this race. Many people think it's only a luck, non-luck race. Well, of course there is a luck factor but, you still chose what kind of unit u will get, you still can decide to rush income, or not and which units you will upgrade for the next level, etc...

My strategics with hybrids:

Starts with Tiers 2 (because they have less chances to make you lose gold) and they also have great styles and powers
Tiers 3 have many useful units as tribesman, nightsaber, captain, phantom, harpy...
Most tiers 4 units have auras, also 2 of them give you gold+ (tempest and outcast). So i do not council you to start with it. Try it if you get good tiers 2-3 early game, otherwise, do not !
(ps: do not build them near walls, if you get oracle, you will lose 2 positions and auras will not be effective on all your building area)
Tiers 5 are must-have units, like goliath, ascendant, apparitions, greyman, goblin blaster... (as tiers4, it s really a poker-roll early game)
and Tiers 6, (personally, as a friend councilled me, i do not build them before level 21). because if you get 3x spawns of dragons ( -40 each) it will hurt you, and you will have only heavy armored, that s really bad for the further levels.

A friend said hybrid is a tetris mode, because you have access to all the towers in the game, and also all the auras. Though this is still a funny mode, in my opinion


Some people build in front of spawn, this is not a good idea. it's better to build upside because your units have the time to get their right position (melee in front, range behind ...)
Build in 434 like in the following picture, so if you get oracle, they will buff 6x units instead 4.


If you follow the previous point, and if you play with a friend of yours. You can also share auras with him. As you can see in the following picture, my friend gave me lifesteal auras. very efficient with my towers.




You can do it with a team-mate, one of you will rush income and the other, value. very effective in pro games. (Sharing auras)
Waves will also take longer to get completed. Longer means more wood more income.

And for the intrepid players, you can build mid alone. with hopefulness your team-mate will leak. But do not do it if you can't handle +2 armors and your teammate's leaks. You can see an example of that strategic with this replay: rghost.net/36515090


There is another kind of building strategic with 2 players. It consists to reverse your builds. I mean, you must build in the topside of ur team-mate's area as same as your team-mate will build in yours. (Red kill blue's creeps and blue kill red's creeps).
The point is that your units will go back to your spawn at the end of the level and directly face the last standing units
(it could help your team-mate or just catch his leaks on full bounty).


It has been a secret for many players. But almost every pro-players know the anti-stuck capacity so I will talk about it.

If you use anti-stuck on your units at the end of the level, when they are reaching the spawn area. They will turn back and go in the middle of the map, then they can catch your team-mate's leaks at full bounty. You can also use it when they are in front of KING, so they will move up at a medium distance.
(It requires many trainy to handle this trick. to just select your own units or to anticipate the delay.)
Be careful , sometimes u better do not use it. Because it will select the half of ur units and they could get destroyed by the leaks that you're trying to catch. And if the whole team is leaking, you will not catch them.

DO NOT use it on your friendly/enemy towers. Acting evil for the hell of it, is bad-mannered and i guess, a banning reason on UC bots... use it parsimoniously and cleverly.


If you don't really mind about perfect income, or if you want to send hard creeps to make ur opponent in trouble.
Then Check out this list. (this list supposes you get the recommended lumberjack training).
• Level 7 Furbolg
• Level 12 2x balistas or 3x ice trolls
• Level 14 Pudge + furbolg
• Level 17 (save 2 or 3 hundred woods from level 16 if you get low lumber ratio) Kraken + warlock-furbolg or pudge
• Level 20 if you want to make them leak, send mass militia archer ghuls, kinda lame but, it works well...
• Level 24 keep from arena to 24 and send demon krakens shamans if you want to hurt them hard.

Demon's cooldown is 2 minutes, if you want to send a second demon, send the 1st one as fast as possible (when level 23 begins) and then, somebody must leak to make the second demon possible. If you think nobody will leak, do not build level 22 & 23. So you may leak level 23 if you get, for example, 6k values. (If you have strong towers and good auras, you may not leak, be carefull.)

• Level 27 save for this level if your opponents have mass hades.
• Level 28 save for this level if your opponents do not have many siege attack.
• Level 29 save for this level if your opponents have many heavies armored.
• Level 30 save for this level if your opponents do not have recommanded value, (1 full-hp boss is stronger than a maxed king).
• Level 31 If you think they can hold every waves, then just send for level 31+. On the first wave, they will do not get the king's auras (if you have more then 2 opponents, send for the second wave of level 31. because their tower will get splitted and will be to far from king to receive his auras.) You can also send a blood-orc to have a splitting result. (hope this trick will be fixed on 3.5).


This list involve to win the game before level 31. It will not make a perfect income/value.



I hope it will help you through yours legion td 's games. And remember, this game is all about feeling, maths and strategies. And don't forget to get fun though

Gl Hf

Bombastik wrote:This is a guide for low-medium players

i would say thats already for really advanced player ,because middle and especially low player wouldnt know what to build to hold the waves with getting this upgrades.If they know what to build,to get this upgrades ,there are more then just low or middle players.

But still nice to get a feeling for all,what is possible (with leaker)

Hi Bombastik,

You are certainly a pro, but the income which you indicate is almost impossible to achieve... Unless you have incredible random ^^.

Already, the base is to affect 7/1 before the lvl 10, then 7/5 before the lvl 18, so as to finish in approximately 500 income in the lvl 30. It's the base...

Then to affect 7/5 before the lvl 10, you have necessarily Elite archer, but kept silent leak inevitably the boss of the lvl 10...

Then, 60 income in the lvl 10, if need be by making the technique of the wolverine, I want, and still, everything depends of how takes place the game...

7/8 lvl 14, , you want to make us leak the rest of the game ?

And you can continue in up your wood up to the lvl 23 if you are sure that the game will end in the lvl 30+. Otherwise, as in most of the cases, we already know that the game will stop in the lvl 28, thus sometimes yes, needs to stop there.

Personally I wouldn't say that I'm a pro (nobody is him, everything is in the technique and the luc after ^^), but I manage as I can with what I have. And when I reached 7/15, I'm really proud of me ^^, because I prefer that my been worth isn't too bad, to catch up the others in case of leak big person, that to crack her to me by reaching 7/15 just for the pleasure ^^. My record is 7/15 in the lvl 19, I have never made better and we have me feed as a pig, thus your statistics for low-middle player, puts rather for "pro" player lol (or person with suicidal tendencies).

1st thx for ur hard work to write those basic idea, somehow dun play legion in stick way. Most of the time i play with -hp host n it will affect greatly on ur final value. The worst i have ever meet is leaking in lvl2,3,5,7 n more lvl. I force to stay on 7/1 till the end but still able to achieve recommend value n win the game. In current version, u normally on need 7/6, or 7/7 lumberjack, too high lumber upgrade mean nothing. You can start save ur lumber from lvl 22 to 27 but with 17k value or more crazy value by lvl 28 and you r the main ppl to save ur team. Anyway, different person has variety way to play just enjoy it n wait for NEW VERSION, HUANNK.

Hi all,

Extee

to affect 7/5 before the lvl 10, you have necessarily Elite archer

I meant, you must have 7/2 or 7/3 before battle, then upping to 7/5 during the battle. i know it s not possible otherwise
And of course, I just give you my view of legion TD's gameplay mechanics, but you can play like you want.

7/8 lvl 14, lol! , you want to make us leak the rest of the game ?

Upgrade when round is in progress, ;d then u will be 7/8, 7/9 at the end of lvl 15

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hhhiii

too high lumber upgrade mean nothing

It s not my opinion. of course if you play a game with savers and massers, u must insure value, i agree.
But, if u get 7/15 before 2nd arena, you will send hard summons every levels.
and you will got hard income hard value. how ever, u will get 16-17k for level 28 easly

I will edit my thread tonight.

Later if you arrive, there in that case I need your advice^^, there I just come to be a part with the bot UCBot (the bot of your clan I believe), the game ended in the lvl 14, I wasn't feed of the whole, I ended in 7/7 lvl 14, and I made what I was able to ^^. After there is always this fear of leak, thus I privilege the been worth to the income, what is maybe a bad choice :s.

I admire those who leaves far in the income and not not leak (or almost not), later it's the style of game that learns I think.

And I want to learn, when you are connected in war3, whisp Extee for a legion . I'm always on channel Clan UC. That I'm afk, thus if I doesn't answer, it's normal ^^.

ok, come tomorrow's evening @ clan uc channel, we ll make a game

I allows me to put your replay bomb, because I have never seen a score also top, nor an income so high without being feed :O.

h t t p ://w w w.mediafire.com/?6fji2j4b5f5ic49

I can't post of link before 7 days, then remove spaces in the link to make one copy / stick ^^.

Thanks you von_Oberstain, more will comes in the following days

For the reverse build, there is an incomer and a builder when a player has 1300 value if the mode is -li. I always use this strategy and that works very well, because there will be always a which will have more of kill that the other one.

Bombastik wrote:
Build organisation (bo)

Some people build in front of spawn, this is not a good idea.

This is not entirely true. Units like Minotaur, Clockwreck and Mistress work better at early game if you build them right next to creep's spawn. Especially Minotaur. So, I would say "building near spawn can be acceptable in some cases, but it is preffered to build your units far from spawn".

Bombastik wrote:it's better to build upside because your units have the time to get their right position (melee in front, range behind ...)

Except for hybrid (which is random), this is also untrue, unless if you build your ranged towers in front of yours melee; building your units away from spawn will provide you more time to farm lumber, and for a brief moment, your units will be able to burst down the first creeps they see, which works suitably well in early game if you have hit-kill units. Sometimes Income creeps like warlock/ice troll get pinned down in spawn due to lag/lost of units around, which can also save your units some trouble.


Anyway, its a interesting guide you put there, I never tried the reverse builds, but seems like cool stuff. But if I may say, I find it kinda hard to achieve the lumberjack upgrades marks, except if playing hybrid/prophet/Imba races. For most -sd games, It's quite hard to reach those marks without feed from my teammates/general leaks.

NERV wrote:

Bombastik wrote:
Build organisation (bo)

Some people build in front of spawn, this is not a good idea.

This is not entirely true. Units like Minotaur, Clockwreck and Mistress work better at early game if you build them right next to creep's spawn. Especially Minotaur. So, I would say "building near spawn can be acceptable in some cases, but it is preffered to build your units far from spawn".

Yes, but in middle-late game, you will get trashed at range levels. Anyway, everybody's free to play like he wants to ^_^

nerv wrote: Anyway, its a interesting guide you put there, I never tried the reverse builds, but seems like cool stuff. But if I may say, I find it kinda hard to achieve the lumberjack upgrades marks, except if playing hybrid/prophet/Imba races. For most -sd games, It's quite hard to reach those marks without feed from my teammates/general leaks.

If you have the opportunity to chose the mode. Play without limited income. it will help you to reach the marks easier. And thanks for your support

@ Bombastik: Really nice strategy guide, many useful tipps for every legion player. Nicely done!

@Von_Oberstain: First, i always asked to myself were you get that name from BTT: You dont really tell people how to cheat, you just told them secret tipps that nearly every advanced player know. Also i think thats more of knowing the game mechanics and not cheating.

Your ideas are really good. I think Bombastik made an awesome start and "set the first stone" (not sure if you know this idiom) and anybody with some ideas can post it and we make a sticky or like you said a pdf file.

You dont mean Paul von Oberstein of Legend of the Galactic Heroes, do you? I remember that name but im not sure if it was that anime.

Dazzlee wrote:@ Bombastik: Really nice strategy guide, many useful tipps for every legion player. Nicely done!

Thanks you a lot, just wanted to publish my knowledge in LTD for everyone

I'm going to make a board about all the levels, number of creeps, amount of gold given, bonus gold, etc. to calculate easier the gold u will get after each levels.

another abuse of anti-stuck is to click on incoming creeps (especially in a moment they're already colliding) and make them collide more, move around each-other and generally waste time - of course, possible only on single-middle build or far build.

advantage is that wave comes as a line - units come in smaller number and face your entire army. also, you can divide wave in two or more groups. experiment, and you'll soon use anti-stucks shortcut each wave. whole process is very healthy for your tanks, and generally worths more than armor bonus (in green). also, you'll need lower values for levels, and shooter have far less focus-fire capabilities if they come in line...

It doesn't work on creeps for me, must try again.
It works "sometimes" on my towers when the level is starting. sounds funny ;D



Paul von Oberstein is a captain serving as chief of staff in fortress Iserlohn of the Galactic Empire. He was born blind and has to wear artificial eyes to see. He has nothing but contempt for his incompetent commander and despises the high nobles, realizing fully well the decadence of the Goldenbaum dynasty and how ignorant they are of the common people’s plight. If he himself had been born a few years earlier, when the “inferior genes exclusion law” was still in effect, he would have been discarded as dangerous to the species. Because of that and realizing Reinhard’s abilities, he wants to join his camp.
Oberstein is a genius strategist and organizer, both in war and politics. Calm and composed, he never shows any sign of emotional distress, everything he says and does is part of a well thought, reasonable plan.

The table you want to create already exists.

CLICK ME SOFTLY

But a table with HP, Attack Damage, Attack Speed, Attack and Armor Type might be useful. Though just Huan knows the AS of waves (?)

Can you tell me in which topic this table is located ??? It would help me

And the AS of creeps is always the same isn' it ? apart boss levels I guess.

Must check this out.

Click on the link i posted. Watch out for

Creep's bounty, Bonus Gold and Value for every level---(Update: 20th Oct 2011)

Im not sure, but i think they have different fast attacking waves are like 5,7,8... and slow 9,14,17... just for e.g.

Thanks both of you, and sorry dazzle but i didn t saw the link this afternoon, I was in my vocational training center.
it has a site blocker which disallowed me to see your link.

No Problem