New Race from player

**HuanAk** Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:45 pm

any idea of new race should post here, so people can see and disccusion on it.

I may not add it to my map, but it is good to try Smile

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Here is good example by Vinnieboy_1993
- Only 1 model per tier ? (Tier 1,2,3,5,6)
- Zergling & Venomancer are same model right ?
- Double Attack: good idea.
- Acid Spray : sound interesting, it is AE so take more time to balance/test.
- Tentacle Wrap : unable to attack/move should be ultimate ability, and should not allow cast too often
- Poison Nova: too powerful, maybe when it die? (like tree of knowledge, but you will have to sacrifice lots of stat for this ability)

Vinnieboy_1993 wrote:New Race for Legion TD

The Mutants.

Tier 1 Troll/ Troll Mutant
Tier 2 Pioson Spider / Infectious Darkclaw. (Model of Anub Arak)
Tier 3 Poison Dragon/ Viper ( The Toxic Dragon ) Element Tier 6 But then Green
Tier 4 Orc Fighter (Like Yurnero in Dota)/ Orc Mutant. ( The Orc Flamethrower for Tech Builder but then Stronger and More Green and Shooting Acid instead of Fire.
Tier 5 MudMonster/ SlugdeFinger. (Both the Same Creature of Legion Td lvl 18) Only Slugdefinger is Bigger.
Tier 6 Zergling / Venomancer. (Zerg and Venomancer of Dota)

Troll Hp: 95 Melee/Supporter Fast
Troll Mutant Hp: 200 Melee/Supporter Fast

Poison Spider Hp: 160 Range / Dps Fast Abillity: Double Attack every 3 Seconds.
I. Darkclaw Hp: 700 Melee / Dps Fast Abillity: Double Attack every 2 Seconds.

Poison Dragon Hp: 500 Range / Dps Fast
Viper Hp: 1100 Range / Dps Fast Abillity: Each Attack Injects a Poison in the Body of the Enemy Dealing 10 Damage per Second for 2 Seconds. Stacks indefenitly.

Next one is a pretty unsuspecting Unit because of random attacks.
Orc Fighter Hp: 1000 Melee / Dps Fast 1-300 Dmg
Orc Mutant Hp: 1600 Range / Dps Very Fast Abillity: Acid Spray. A Weapon attack that hits every unit in 300 AoE Units around or infront of the Orc Muntant get Infected. Dealing 50 Damage per second for 2 Seconds. Stacks With other Orc Mutants.

MudMonster Hp: 1200 Melee / Tank Average
SludgeFinger Hp: 1900 Melee / Tank Fast Abillity: Tentacle Wrap. SlugdeFinger Binds a enemy's Unit. Making it unable to attack and move. Dealing Damage overtime. 25 Damage per second for 4 Seconds. Slugdefinger can keep attacking While Preforming this Spell.

Zergling Hp 1400 Melee / Tank Fast
Venomancer Hp 2250 Range / Dpsser Very Fast Abillity: Poison Nova
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/venomancer .I was Thinking about 20 Damage Per Second over 10 Seconds? Or Nerve it? Its not stackable. Can only be activated when 1 Venomancer Ends the Spell.

HuanAk i hope this one is more what you meant when you explained how you create a race.. Putted the Venomancer in it:)
Hope u like it

**NERV** Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:40 pm

HuanAk wrote:
- Tentacle Wrap : unable to attack/move should be ultimate ability, and should not allow cast too often
- Poison Nova: too powerful, maybe when it die? (like tree of knowledge, but you will have to sacrifice lots of stat for this ability)

About Tentacle Wrap: would be nice if the caster couldn't move while skill duration, like a "choking ability", after the skill is over, the unit gains immunity against choke for like some seconds, to prevent abuse. That way people won't do mass "tentacles", because won't be good against normal waves. But maybe you should save this for Wizzard race. XD

About Poison Nova: Won't be good as ToK , since poison doesn't kill creeps, but it will be something nice. Its cool to have different abilities, instead of just playing with raw power/splash.

Dazzlee Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:22 pm

Zerg & Venomancer different models. Zergs are those thingys that Hades Spawn spawns xD Venomancer is the Poison Dude of DotA

Anyway, the example and idea is really good, i like the poison towers like Harpy & Wyvern much. Would be nice to have a poison race Smile

shengshun Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:29 am

nice race suggestion..

imo, ppl should avoid using models in other races..

**HuanAk** Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:29 am

This page is good start, for people looking for difference model

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/creeps.shtml

shengshun Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:14 pm

The race from the ancient underground pyramids of Nubia, specialize in curses.. CURSED YOU!
The EGYPTIAN!!!!!
New Race from player Models_10468_screenshot_tnb

New Race from player Models_10468_screenshot_tnb

Builder Model Link

Tier 1 Scarab => Abasi
Tier 2 Solpugid => Neith
Tier 3 Amenhotep => Amen'ra
Tier 4 Apep => Apophis
Tier 5 Nubia Royal Guard => Cursed Knight
Tier 6 Menos => Brutal Lord

Tier 1
New Race from player Scarab

Scarab
Cost: 30 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 15
HP: 125
Speed: 1.5
Range: 100
Attack Type: Normal
Defense Type: Heavy
Abilities: N/A

New Race from player 28u1ohw

Slightly Bigger
Abasi
Cost: 125 Gold
DPS: 70.5
HP: 800
Speed: 1
Range: 100
Attack Type: Normal
Defense Type: Heavy
Abilities: N/A

Tier 2
New Race from player 41

Solpugid
Cost: 65 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 35
HP: 200
Speed: 1.3
Range: 100
Attack Type: Chaos
Defense Type: Medium
Abilities: N/A

New Race from player Models_6910_screenshot_tnb

New Race from player Models_6910_screenshot_tnb

Model Link
Neith
Cost: 165 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 115
HP: 1200
Speed: 0.5
Range: 100
Attack Type: Chaos
Defense Type: Medium
Abilities: Crucio (a curse that summons a Scarab everytime the Neith kills an enemy creep) same with Dark Ranger's original skill that summons skeleton per kill *can be change to dps ability to avoid lag*

Tier 3 *if this race/unit will be implemented, I suggest to change the model for the Overseer/Keeper of Souls* reason why I choose this coz the Obsidian Destroyer model suits the theme for this race.
New Race from player Obsidianstatue

Amenhotep
Cost: 85 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 43
HP: 350
Speed: 0.9
Range: 350
Attack Type: Magic
Defense Type: Light
Abilities: Averse (a curse that causes enemy units within 400 AoE to lower attack speed by 5)

New Race from player Character

Amen'ra
Cost: 160 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 93
HP: 900
Speed: 0.4
Range: 350
Attack Type: Magic
Defense Type: Light
Abilities: Averse (a curse that causes enemy units within 400 AoE to lower attack speed by 5), Stupefy (a curse that puts the victim in an unconscious state, 5% to stun and gives additional 20 dmg)

Tier 4 **the original model is so big.. I tried it and its a good model/unit! good animation and movement..
New Race from player Models_4693_screenshot_tnb

New Race from player Models_4693_screenshot_tnb

Model Link
Apep
Cost: 180 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 123
HP: 700
Speed: 1.4
Range: 150
Attack Type: Siege
Defense Type: Fortified
Abilities: Hardened Skin (has 20% chance to block 30 dmg)

New Race from player 347i1vl

slightly bigger
Apophis
Cost: 210 Gold 2 Food
DPS: 150
HP: 980
Speed: 1.4
Range: 150
Attack Type: Siege
Defense Type: Fortified
Abilities: Hardened Skin (has 20% chance to block 30 dmg), Sand Breath (releases a sand that slows enemy movedmg by 100d deal 100 dmg)

Tier 5
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New Race from player Models_4890_screenshot_tnb

Model Link
Nubia Royal Guard / Royal Guard
Cost: 200 Gold 1 Food
DPS: 95
HP: 900
Speed: 0.9
Range: 100
Attack Type: Pierce
Defense Type: Heavy
Abilities: N/A

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New Race from player Models_10769_screenshot_tnb

Model Link
Cursed Knight
Cost: 240 Gold 2 Food
DPS: 165
HP: 1850
Speed: 1
Range: 100
Attack Type: Pierce
Defense Type: Heavy
Abilities: Cleaving Attack (like beast's tier6 but slightly smaller), Revelio (Critical Strike 25% 1.5x)

Tier 6
New Race from player Models_10844_screenshot_tnb

New Race from player Models_10844_screenshot_tnb

Model Link
Menos
Cost: 330 Gold 2 Food
DPS: 140.5 *100-100*
HP: 1550
Speed: 1.3
Range: 100
Attack Type: Magic
Defense Type: Medium
Abilities: Scorch (a curse that adds 50 magic dmg per hit )

New Race from player Models_10843_screenshot_tnb

New Race from player Models_10843_screenshot_tnb

Model Link
Brutal Lord
Cost: 350 Gold 2 Food
DPS: 140.5
HP: 3105
Speed: 0.85
Range: 100
Attack Type: Magic
Defense Type: Medium
Abilities: Blaze (a curse that adds 50 magic dmg per hit, if the unit dies with the blaze buff, it will explode dealing 80 AoE dmg)

need feedbacks and critics Very Happy

**HuanAk** Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:29 pm

Race make sense with lots of detail.

model look cool. (except you want to stole 2 model from Shadow)

the only problem is: what is total size of download model ?!! (over 2mb ? )

shengshun Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:31 am

HuanAk wrote:Race make sense with lots of detail.

model look cool. (except you want to stole 2 model from Shadow)

the only problem is: what is total size of download model ?!! (over 2mb ? )

hmm haven't thought of that one.. hehe

well its a mock up idea anyway...

**von_Oberstain** Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:57 am

to submitters:

suggestion is to load all submitted models in legiontd 1.50c editors version, and see how much the map size increases (after using u9 wc3slkopt on map)

custom textures lay heavy on the map-size, since they don't compress well, while models using ingame textures (recognizible for having "import - no" on all textures mentioned under details on thehive) compress to 30-40% average, sometimes being just 30kb compressed.

this way you can calculate how much race will 'cost' in map-size - races with over 1mb are probably totally out of question, while 200-400kb could be acceptable, if well themed and consistent and interesting in general - these of course my views on acceptability for UE, huan's may be lower since he tries very hard to keep map small in space and UE is already over 3mb... anyway, keep in mind that several large races can fill 8mb max map size, not to mention problems for downloading players etc...

other than that - the proposition above is really presented nicely, one have to appreciate effort...

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